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Jan 2Edited

I was going to say something but then you captured my fear near the end with "what if AI replaces all the jobs" or more accurately "enough jobs the natural rate of both unemployment and non employed rates raise and never come back down", i.e. we don't have farms to factories to telephone operators to waitresses to strippers pipeline that historically has worked via creative destruction; some one has to afford to pay those strippers and not everyone can be a housewife. If the AI and it's physically controlled robots are "as good as people", at some point we just don't need people (because the AI is people at that point from an employment perspective) and (shades of Marx) both the bourgeois and proletariat aren't OK with 99% tax rates to fund middle class life styles for "bums that sit around and play video games and smoke meth all day because there are no jobs left"; i.e. we kind of marginally fixed Appalachia and it's peers after the great coal/steel bust via strip mall doctors cranking out counties with 95% disability rates and every one intentionally not looking too close as a backdoor welfare program but that's still barely sustenance living and I don't see us scaling that to 95% of America, even if we have the resources to do so (because to your point, AI makes everything so cheap, i.e. Star Trek replicators post-scarcity world) .. you still have the fundamental WASP spite / jealous dynamic that makes American's despise "free loaders" which is the root of so many of our problems, even currently.

Other things that jump to mind as I read your post is I really hate how we measure things in households rather than people, I think it masks issues and makes people look better off than they actually are economically. And like you on the washing machine thing, I think we are overestimating here in a big way. Large numbers of Americans rent and most renters don't have a personal "household" washing machine, likewise prisoners, servicemembers, students, traveling workers, etc. While sure nearly all have access via laundry matts, shared (often paid) communal machines in their buildings, laundry services, their parents or neighbors, etc I'd put it around 40% of households so let's say 60 million personal washing machines, if that. On your skyscraper front, I'm indifferent to home ownership, large parts of world get by just fine without it, it's not a virtue in my book that society should work towards especially given it destroys mobility. What you are telling me in your story (though yeah I get the economic theory behind it, I did have some formal schooling in it lol) is how does an infinite supply of housing push prices low enough that landlords will rent AT A LOSS to the millions that can't afford it even $1 because of the AI revolution, much less the security deposit, utilities, insurance, etc. Just how many skyscrapers do you need to build to entice me as a landlord to rent to an unemployed crack addict with no job, no income, and rental history of "puts holes in the walls and shits on the floor". At some point rents are so low that the investment is better off in savings bonds so why would I become a landlord?

I live in a building that is 83% unoccupied in a city with some of the highest rents in America couple with some of the lowest property taxes in American (effectively zero). Likewise it has the largest average household side not including minors as well as homeless rate because people can't afford to live even in shack hence multigenerational housing is the norm among relatives. Nearly every "sky scraper" in this city has vacancy rates well above 50%. They don't get rented because it's not worth the owners cost, they can just leave the units empty, vacation in them once a year, and make their money off appreciation. More skyscraper doesn't change that as it's about return on investment. If prices are pushed low enough, they simply won't get built at all because once again, if your poor can't even afford the HOA, who is going to rent or even sell to them? That goes for "can't afford to pay the property tax, cut the crass, replace the roof, etc" as well in the post-AI infinite output but we don't have jobs world.

Benjamin Cole's avatar

I agree with this post.

In particular, there should probably be a forest of high-rise condos along the Los Angeles-area seafront.

And remember: decriminalize pushcart vending. Tyler Cowen just linked to a guy who went to Taiwan and wondered why there was so much cheap and good street food. He said it was the budget vendors. No amenities, or restrooms, just some guy with a barbecue.

Same thing in Thailand.

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