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Lorenzo Warby's avatar

Historian Timothy Snyder has an argument that (what became the EU) was a replacement for empire. I think he is right, but not in the way he thinks. He thinks it is an economic replacement because he thinks empire was economically beneficial.

This seems clearly wrong. Every imperial metropole got richer after it lost its empire. This is true whether they were part of (what became the EU) or not: the obvious example being Japan. Access to the US market and the US-led maritime order was much more valuable, and way cheaper, than empire.

It is not clear that even Britain made a “profit” from its Empire, once you consider military and administrative costs. Portugal had the largest empire (relative to the size of its metropole) for longest and is the poorest country in Western Europe. Compare that to land-locked Switzerland, which never had an empire.

I think (what became the EU) was an administrative replacement for empire. State apparats can colonise outwards (empire) inwards (welfare state) or upwards (internationalisation: EU, UN). Of the three, the welfare state has by far the best accountability.

The UN has basically become a completely unaccountable way to launder typically terrible ideas and give them a false patina of authority. The EU has a bit better accountability than the UN but it is still not great. If you think of it like that, you would expect it to be an “imperial bureaucracy” economic drag on its member countries. One that would tend to get worse over time. Especially as its role became more grandiose.

You might also expect it to increasingly alienate the least well-connected folk. That would be the working class, which increasingly votes national populist. The working class tends to be socially conservative and economically interventionist because they want social and economic stability/protection. (In the US, Trump has taken the Republicans back to where they started in the 1850s: a protectionist Party suspicious of foreign intervention relying on working class votes.)

Europe does migration really badly. Somewhat differently badly in different countries, but badly. In the UK, it has imported sectarianism and immiserated its working class by driving up rents. In the UK and France it has aggravated the internal provincial/metro splits. According to a Dutch study and Danish figures, Middle Eastern migrants are a net drain on the fisc in every age group. There is no way reason to think that is not also true in Sweden, France, the UK. (It takes real incompetence to import migrants who make your welfare state less sustainable.)

Migrants, especially those who are very culturally different, tend to swamp/break up local social connections. This matters to working class folk whose social capital is based on locality. Importing low skill migrants also discourages investing in productivity. It tends to suppress (not cut, but suppress) wages by suppressing the Baumol effect for local workers, transferring the benefit to the incomers. Cultural diversity makes it harder to coordinate to do things like provide infrastructure. It increases competition for attention, both in policy and public discourse.

You get a religious attitude to migration: migration does not fail, people fail migration. It becomes an elite marker: only bad/bigoted/ignorant/low class people complain about migration. You get rather elite-imperial favour-divide-and-dominate games (aka identity politics).

There is also a certain imperial arrogance to the EU across a range of issues. The recent annulling of the Romanian election because Russians might have been propagandising was notionally their local court but still looks rather elite-imperial. EU networking likely reinforces such elite arrogance.

I would also argue that 40 years in the EU reduced UK state capacity by both de-skilling the UK civil service and increasing its institutional arrogance. The new Starmer Govt is complaining bitterly behind the scenes how they can’t get the civil service to do anything. That Dominic Cummings is correct in his critique of the incompetent inertia of Whitehall.

In terms of Chinese history, they have moved from early-in-dynasty administrative competence to late-in-dynasty bureaucratic pathologies. Copying Chinese meritocratic entry by exam bureaucracy seemed a great idea. Perhaps they needed to look more at the patterns of such in China?

I suspect smaller countries can course correct better. Denmark and Sweden have both managed to shift migration policy dramatically, for example. The UK, not so much.

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Brettbaker's avatar

An obvious issue for Japan and a lot of Europe is age of population. Overtime is harder to do when you get older. (No bitter personal experience goes into this observation!;))

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